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Poster: reviewr Date: Jul 14, 2011 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Titles

Road Trips Volume # - Number # !?
DP # !?
Vault Series # !?
Download Series # !?

Come on already. Just call it what it is: THE DATE and place! Do I really have to remember, show X is Volume # - Number #?


My wife calls that venting.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 15, 2011 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

I must admit that all shows go "in" the wall of CDs in chronological order, and having primarily sequenced "unreleased" shows originally, by date on the label I place on the CD holder, any comm release/album/etc simply goes in order, surrounded by "white label dates" and so on and so forth.

RTs "covers" were disarticulated, cut and inserted, and yet, because I usu owned a SBD of them, they are easily determined to be "where they should be" if even the color interupts the white/blk ltr appearance of the nearby shows...

Anal retentive revelation over.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 15, 2011 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

These kind of titles don't bug me. I just file them in a special section on my shelves under "CDs I Do Not Have"

It doesn't take up much space....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 15, 2011 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

"that doesn't take up much room"

Just what Mrs Dire said to him the other night...





[he's been asking for it; had to get it in somewhere...uh-oh; I have to stop setting myself up?!]

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 15, 2011 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

The mind boggles.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 15, 2011 6:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

But what would the marketing guys and gals do?


> Another thing to gripe about is those stupid Road Trips, must you really split up some really fine shows and remove even the streaming of the soundboards from archive??

3-24-90, 9-19-90, .....

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jul 15, 2011 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

I prefer just the number. No need for volumes or anything like that. I always call the DP's Dick's Picks 10, or w.e And have begun referring to the Road Trips like that.

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Poster: MindBendah Date: Jul 15, 2011 3:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

Down with Titles! I recently changed all of the titles of the aforementioned releases in my audio player on my computer. (Side note, if you are looking for a really great free audio player that is light years better then iTunes check out MediaMonkey http://www.mediamonkey.com/)

I was having the issue of vaguely knowing the year of release, but having no idea of the specific month, day, or location. The re-titling helped me loads in discovering the actual relevant information about the show and lead me to the discovery of the shows surrounding the releases. Take DP 12 for example 6-26/28-74, June of '74 is possibly the greatest month in GD history, but does the title of Dick's Picks 12 give you a clue that this is in such a fine month?? With my re-titling project I now view the releases as they should be, awesome shows with beefed up sound quality.

Another thing to gripe about is those stupid Road Trips, must you really split up some really fine shows and remove even the streaming of the soundboards from archive??

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

There are probably 1400-1500 shows still available for streaming here. I am sure you can find plenty of good ones despite the fact that they removed a small fraction of the shows because they were commercially released (about 20-25 for RTs, 36 DPs and the vault releases). Even the ones that were removed, were only the sbds so if you really want to hear them and an aud is available, you are still in luck!

Instead of whining about the ones that aren't here because you can BUY them, consider being thankful and appreciative for all that is actually here. It could be worse, you could have access to nothing like the fans of some many other bands.

Repeat after me: Hooray for the Internet Archive and Hooray for the Grateful Dead!!

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Poster: MindBendah Date: Jul 15, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

I think the main thing to take into consideration here is that these are recordings of concerts not a manufactured product like a studio album. The production costs surrounding the recordings of these shows are carried by the cost of the concert production itself. Who in the GD would have guessed that these concert recordings would be commercially released as they are today?

To me the purpose of the recordings and a site like this is to share with all the beauty and the magic that occurred on those evenings many years ago. Grateful Dead music in my ignorant and obstinate opinion was created to be shared and appreciated by those who care about it, not as a means to make fists full of money. I love this music because it is free and so easily accessible. Having a commercial live release I feel is counter to what these recordings are about.

The guise of enhanced sound quality in the commercial release is a moot purpose when you have people who passionately care for the music like Charlie Miller. These recordings are available for the most part because people wanted others to hear it.

Monetary restrictions such as charging people for something that was free in the first place only limits the extent of listener circle. Personally I am a poor recent college grad and I don't have the money to fork out for these releases. I choose to support the band in other ways then spending money on concert cds by actually going to concerts. Touring bands make money by touring, not wasting their time in a recording studio making an over worked piece of music.

Leave the music to the people who love and care about it, not fat cats who just wanna make a buck off.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

I think many of your points are valid, although it has never been completely clear how the band felt about soundboard availability. Don't forget that part of the reason they recorded so many tours in multitrack was because they were in fact interested in commercially releasing material (Anthem, LiveDead, Skull and Roses, E72, SYF, Reckoning, Dead Set....7 albums with live material in a 12 year period!). Just not this way.

My point is that you still have the opportunity to the vast majority of material that is available to the public and if you are willing to participate in torrent sites, even more is available as some of the shows that were commercially released are available there as well. I guess i'm just trying to say focus on how full the glass is, not the few sips that have been removed.

I hope that your status of being a recent college grad (congrats btw) will ultimately take care of that poor part and the only thing that stands between you and obtaining those commercial releases is choice.

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Poster: MindBendah Date: Jul 15, 2011 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

While my angry grumblings are more for show, you are very right about the incredible collection that we have access too. It is so easy to take for granted that we have this website as an indispensable resource for GD music right at our finger tips. Big thanks to all those who make this site happen!

With such a wide availability of concerts available it makes the ones not available stand out a little more. I have more issue with stuff like the Road Trips V 2.3 6-16/18-74. Both are really great shows, but you don't get the whole shows on the release. Removing the whole shows from archive means that the awesome songs that aren't on the album are lost in the void. Minor grievances that are just fun to vent about, especially on a Friday(~);]

Thanks! I luckily just secured a job after 6 months of searching. Finally can save up for something worth spending money on... EUROPE '72!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

Posting of songs that weren't released from shows that were partially released is a bit inconsistent around here. For example, we were talking a few weeks back about DP2 (10-31-71 set 2). While set 2 is not available here, you can listen to set 1. There are other shows where the leftovers from a commercial release have been posted such as 4-26-72. The only way i can explain this is that if someone creates a transfer that has only the unreleased material, that is fine, but the folks here are not going to edit the shows that already exist as full shows. I am sure they have plenty of other things to do with their time.

I think the most egregious deletion is the banning of 4-26-71. The banner says the show has been released as part of "Ladies and Gentlemen." None of the songs from this show are on that release. Some of the banners say Skull and Roses and it is true that 3 of the songs were used on that album but that release, like Europe '72 were very different in terms of dubbing than the sbd tapes available.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 15, 2011 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

Hear, hear!!!!!

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 14, 2011 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Titles

Great point. This product names itself.